HKN Hoserchat Meeting
7/23/03
9:00pm

Present:
amywung, atsao, awei, chan, cling, fhsu, isaac, james, jluo, kgao, 
lorentz, mimi, quarl, rchen, ttd, vu


The hoserchat conversation is at the end, for anyone who wants to read 
through the entire conversation.

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* DIRECTIVES *
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1. Any officers who have time between now and next Wednesday (7/30/03) 
should help cold-call companies to push for the fall job fair.  If they 
say no, ask them if they'd be interested in attending a jobfair in the 
spring instead.  Vu will send out more detailed instructions on 
cold-calling companies shortly.

2. Anyone who is working in the industry right now should walk up to 
HR personally to get contacts and push for the jobfair.

3. Anyone who has connections (family, friends, acquaintances even!) to 
industry, try and help indrel get contacts.  This would be a HUGE help 
to them!


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* AGENDA *
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1. The Fall Jobfair Situation
2. The Options
3. The Decision

1. The Situation
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Our jobfair is currently scheduled for Sept. 18.  We have contacted a 
total of 90 companies: mostly by email, ~ 25% by phone.  Only two 
companies have signed up: Microsoft and Cypress Semi.  

The economy is a big problem because many companies aren't hiring.  
Veritas said they'd come to our jobfair first once they started hiring 
again.  Bdti wanted to be notified of future events. 

We're suffering from some competition from the Career Center's jobfair, 
which they decided to schedule a week before ours.  Also, since 40-50 
of our contacts came from last January's Career Center jobfair, we're 
competing over the same contacts and losing because the companies have 
worked with the Career Center before and trust them.

Another problem is that a lot of contacts are dead, which means we have 
to cold-call companies and start from scratch.  It does help if we say 
that we've worked with the company before, but we still need to do a lot 
of work to get in contact with new people.  With everyone scattered for 
the summer, it's hard to coordinate and get more help.  


2. The Options
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A handful of companies have expressed interest in attending a spring 
jobfair instead.  A spring jobfair means less direct competition with the 
Career Center, more time to for us to prepare, and more officers to help 
out during the fall.  If we only have a few companies for the fall, we 
can save our reputation and use our resources more efficiently with 
infosessions instead of a fall jobfair.  Skipping the fall jobfair would 
leave us with enough money to last two more semesters.

We still need to be able to compete with the Career Center.  Our jobfair 
is more expensive than the Career Center's but we allow more reps, and 
provide free lunch and electrical connection.  But we should still ask 
companies if money is an issue, and then consider lowering the price of 
the jobfair.  Also we need to get new contacts that don't overlap with 
the Career Center.


3. The Decision
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During the next week until Wednesday (7/30/03) we will make a last push 
to get 10-15 companies for the fall jobfair.  Any officers who have extra 
time this week, please volunteer.  If we don't get enough companies by 
Wednesday, we will wait till spring semester to do the jobfair. We will 
offer all the companies who signed up to do an infosession instead during 
the fall.  Or they can choose to defer to the spring semester jobfair. 

awang will email officers@hkn looking for people with connections to industry.

vu will email officers@hkn to ask for volunteers to help cold call companies, and give instructions on how to do that.

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* THE WHOLE SHEBANG *
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Log started at Wed Jul 23 21:02:39 2003
[21:03] <atsao> how long should we wait to start this?
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[21:04] <vu> 10 min berkeley time i suppose
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[21:04] <rchen> Wee.
[21:04] <chan> .eeW
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[21:06] <awang> \exit
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[21:07] <rchen> what is that wang up to...
[21:07] <awang> sorry
[21:07] <awang> 2 chats + phone simultaneous
[21:07] <awang> \who
[21:07] <awang> doh
[21:07] <rchen> Accidentally hung up hc instead of the phone?
[21:07] <awang> it's hard
[21:07] <awang> i can't multitask
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[21:08] (*) cling plugs into the matrix
[21:08] <vu> ok, we'll give you guys the situation in one sec
[21:08] (*) chan knows kung fu
[21:09] (*) atsao knows there is no spoon
[21:09] <chan> what!
[21:09] <cling> this feels like this is a lowtech version of that meeting in matrix reloaded
[21:09] <cling> that's why i said that :)
[21:10] <cling> but greetings from MS!
[21:10] <rchen> MS whore
[21:10] <atsao> oh no.. an agent!
[21:10] <awang> how's washington
[21:10] <awang> LA is great
[21:10] <cling> it's not bad
[21:11] <awang> what's "not bad" mean
[21:11] <cling> vu: IM me when you guys want to start, going to do some more work
[21:11] <quarl> it means he has hot sex every night
[21:11] <awang> give us 3 min
[21:11] <cling> oh, it's pretty fun overall :)
[21:12] <chan> quarl you dirtay
[21:12] <rchen> Meeting ought to start.
[21:12] <chan> albert wants 2 more minutes
[21:13] <awang> tres minutos mas por favor
[21:13] <awang> indrel is conferring internally
[21:13] <rchen> ah.
[21:13] <chan> si
[21:14] <awang> ok, i think we're ready
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[21:14] <atsao> good good
[21:15] <vu> ok
[21:16] <vu> i'll explain the situation and then other indrel will voice their opinion, then other officers
[21:16] <vu> sound good?
[21:16] <awang> yeah
[21:16] <atsao> works for me
[21:16] <vu> basically the outlook of the fall jfair isn't looking good
[21:16] <amywung> "the situation" sounds so serious....
[21:17] <james> how so?
[21:17] <vu> we've contacted roughly 90 companies in some form, (mostly e-mail, probably a quarter phone calls too), and we have 2 companies definitely registered
[21:17] <vu> microsoft and cypress semi
[21:17] <vu> it turns out that career center's jfair is a week before ours
[21:17] <james> when is the jobfair, btw?
[21:17] <vu> about 40-50 contacts we obtained were from a career center jfair last january
[21:18] <vu> sept 18
[21:18] <vu> so we've been meeting resistance there, because some companies are choosing career center's over ours
[21:18] <vu> we've gotten about 4 responses from companies that would like to see a spring fair and would want to attend a spring jfair
[21:18] <awang> (vu, read the chat room dialogue)
[21:20] <vu> sorry
[21:21] <vu> so me and brandon are thinking one idea would be to push the jfair to spring, offer any currently registered companies an infosession otherwise defer to spring jfair
[21:22] <vu> advantages of this would be:  less direct competition w/ career center, more time sinceu we would start now, more officers around to help during semester (really hard right now, not much help)
[21:23] <vu> ok, albert, kun?
[21:23] <vu> its hard for officers to help right now cause everyone is in different places, working, etc, very hard to coordinate/organize
[21:23] <quarl> so we skip a whole year of jf?
[21:23] <vu> even though i know a lot of officers want to help
[21:23] <awang> no, postpone till spring
[21:23] <atsao> a semester
[21:23] <awang> we make the official decision next wed
[21:23] <vu> its just a matter of where to best put our resources
[21:24] <ttd> what month are you guys thinking about if we do it in spring?
[21:24] <vu> tbd
[21:24] <awang> (side question: is there anyone checking the cory answering machine?)
[21:25] <vu> we have been getting good new contacts from cold calling, brandon can attest
[21:25] <atsao> i can if no one else is
[21:25] <vu> but just not interested in fall jfair
[21:25] <james> will we have enough money w/o the job fair?
[21:25] <vu> i have not checked cory answering machine, i'll check it tomorrow
[21:25] <kgao> yes
[21:25] <vu> i've been leaving my cell# with them tho
[21:25] <kgao> but only for 2 more semesters
[21:25] <cling> are they interested in a jobfair in spring though?
[21:25] <vu> brandon leaves his cell too
[21:26] <amywung> i was in cory yesterday, no new messages i don't think
[21:26] <vu> we have 4 companies that expressed interest in a spring jfair
[21:26] <amywung> unless someone's erased the ones from last semester and there are 3 new ones
[21:26] <kgao> but there is a way for everyone to help
[21:26] <kgao> if you have family/friends working in EE/CS company
[21:26] <cling> are they willing to sign up now, for a jobfair in spring that is
[21:26] <vu> we never presented that as an option
[21:26] <kgao> that should be one of our primary ways of obtaining good contacts
[21:26] <kgao> actually we did
[21:27] <kgao> last semester
[21:27] <kgao> just didn't get anything out of it
[21:27] <kgao> we passed out brochures in meeting
[21:27] <atsao> okay so it seems like we spent a lot of time planning ahead for this job fair and the career center just ignored our fair and scheduled theres right before ours?
[21:27] <kgao> and officers picked it up
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[21:27] <vu> kun, i was talking to cling
[21:27] <awei> ok, sorry guys, i just found out about the meeting
[21:27] <awei> what did i miss?
[21:27] <vu> cling: we never offered them a chance to register in spring
[21:27] <awang> yeah, i'm wondering if the career center purposely tried to screw us (politics?)
[21:27] <atsao> it's okay
[21:28] <kgao> atsao: we need to lock companies in now with us instead of career fair, (for spring)
[21:28] <kgao> *career center
[21:28] <atsao> so they do have one in the spring as well?
[21:28] <kgao> they have job fairs every semester
[21:28] <ttd> yes in feb. i believe
[21:28] <vu> the only one on their calendar that would affect ours is internship&summer possibly
[21:28] <amywung> hey alan wei, i'll email you what we talked about so far
[21:28] <vu> but we would be working off of different contacts
[21:29] <vu> hopefully, establishing new contacts now
[21:29] <atsao> did we try coordinating it with them and they just said screw us?  or did we just expect them to not pick a date near us
[21:29] <awei> ok, thanks amy
[21:29] <kgao> we expected them to not pick a date near us
[21:29] <awang> amy: aaronj would like a summary too please
[21:29] <kgao> nothing restricting either of us w.r.t. dates
[21:30] <awang> ok, so let me quickly summarize
[21:30] <awang> we have 2 companies signed up for the fair right now, about 5-7 companies "interested" in spring
[21:30] <awang> break even point for pauley ballroom is 4 companies
[21:31] <amywung> summary now or later? i'm taking minutes just because i doubt anyone is gonna wanna read through this whole conversation
[21:31] <awang> so we're thinking of asking companies to lock in now for spring fair AND sign up for infosessions in the fall
[21:31] <kgao> * remember we are getting pauley for $300
[21:32] <awang> however, we plan on a last push to try and keep the fair alive during the next week
[21:32] <awang> if we don't get enough contacts by next wed, then we will officially try and reschedule our fair
[21:32] <quarl> i thought they picked their date long time before we picked ours
[21:32] <awei> what would break even point be including other costs such as parking and food?
[21:33] <quarl> and there was big debate on if we should make ours so close to theirs
[21:33] <amywung> what's "enough" contacts next week?
[21:33] <awang> we want at least 6+ companies signed up
[21:33] <kgao> i'd say at least 10-15 to make it worth our time and effort
[21:33] <amywung> 6+ total or on top of the existing 2?
[21:33] <awei> ok, so, that would be "enough"
[21:34] <awang> quarl: it wasn't debate, we purposely tried to schedule the fair around theirs but they came back and screwed us
[21:34] <kgao> because with 6 we can do infosessions better
[21:34] <vu> yeah, infosessions would be a better use of our resources i feel
[21:35] <vu> my biggest concern honestly is help.  if we push to spring, we can get a lot more people helping
[21:35] <vu> its just really hard for everyone during the summer
[21:35] <atsao> well would companies be willing to sign up for a career fair in the spring now?
[21:35] <vu> very few people have actually called companies outside of indrel
[21:36] <quarl> has mike liao ben helping
[21:36] <vu> afiak, no
[21:36] <vu> i'd have to ask brandon
[21:36] <awang> yeah, that's a separate issue
[21:36] <awang> ok. i need to go soon.  so that's the current situation.  comments?
[21:37] <cling> you guys want decision to be made by next wed right?
[21:37] <atsao> well if only have 2 now and we need 4 by a minimum, it seems like we don't have that much of a choice (especially if we're going to target 10-15)
[21:37] <quarl> so will jfair be permanently in spring again?
[21:38] <awang> yes.  one last push, then we'll officially reschedule.  we want to notify everyone first though
[21:38] <atsao> but we have to make sure this wouldn't happen again
[21:38] <awang> no, it's semester-semester decision for now
[21:39] <awang> atsao: yes, but we feel our reputation is better saved by giving companies advanced notice now, rather than having a 2-company fair
[21:39] <kgao> would anyone here have 1-2 hours to contribute to indrel this week (during working hours) ?
[21:39] <ttd> oh
[21:39] <cling> would it be possible to contact the interested companies to find out if they would sign up for a spring jfair now?
[21:39] <awang> cling: yes, that's our intentions
[21:40] <kgao> if so i'd like to propose that we each call 3-4 companies each
[21:40] <amywung> i probably have some time
[21:40] <kgao> that'd take care of most of the big companies
[21:40] <kgao> because indrel is really needing help this week
[21:40] <atsao> i have time too
[21:40] <awang> wait, no
[21:41] <awang> we have a bigger issue: contacts
[21:41] <awang> i'm going to send officers@hkn an email tomrrow
[21:41] <quarl> didn't we originaly change to fall because there were not enough companies in spring and we didnt want to clash with career center spring jfair?
[21:41] <kgao> mostly not enough companies
[21:41] <vu> i think our jfair was always in spring cause we didn't want to clash w/ career center, no?
[21:41] <kgao> by not enough companies i mean no companies
[21:42] <awang> hopefully everyone working at n internship
[21:42] <vu> 1-2 hours isn't enough to be honest, for helping indrel
[21:42] <vu> for 5 companies i mean
[21:42] <awang> can spare the time to perosnally walk over to their hr department and ask them
[21:43] <kgao> yes, thats a great idea
[21:43] <awang> (imho, that's time better spent than cold calling companies, since we're out of contacts)
[21:43] <kgao> and tell your friends/family to recommend us to their company HR
[21:43] <atsao> what did most companies say for a no?
[21:43] <vu> brandon: almost all the companies that rejected me, said they would rather attend a spring fair
[21:43] <quarl> none of the companies that ever had jf with us replied?
[21:43] <vu> a lot are gone, dead contacts
[21:43] <quarl> the comapny gone or the person gone?
[21:43] <awang> ok, sorry, but i must now depart.  (i loove work)  amy: please send me a recap email
[21:44] <vu> person gone, some companies gone
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[21:44] <vu> almost always the contact person's email bounces
[21:44] <quarl> why is it so hard if just the person gone but company still good
[21:44] <kgao> because you don't know who to reach in the company
[21:44] <vu> we basically have to start them over as a cold call, we can use the fact that we've worked w/ them in the past
[21:44] <kgao> and when you call and email them you get the machine or nothing at all
[21:44] <vu> other than that, its kinda starting from scratch
[21:45] <vu> yeah
[21:45] <quarl> having worekd w/ them in the past should be a big step in already
[21:45] <vu> the economy is a factor too
[21:46] <quarl> do they acknoledge knowing who we are, etc, but then say "we're too poor", or do you not even get to tlak to someone 
[21:46] <vu> "we're not hiring"  "we've frozen hiring"
[21:46] <vu> but we do build a good contact w/ them
[21:47] <vu> and they do say they we will be one of the first jfairs they attend once they pick up hiring (veritas)
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[21:47] <vu> some say we're not hiring right now, but please keep let us know of future events (bdti)
[21:48] <quarl> is it company policy that they cannot do a job fiar, or are they persuadable
[21:48] <quarl> job fair now is for job applicants in the future
[21:49] <quarl> so the question is if hiring freeze ends X months from now, not if there is one today
[21:50] <vu> often times, the reasons they cannot go are out of our persausion
[21:50] <kgao> still... the companies did sign up with career center
[21:50] <awei> i don't think most companies know when they will end hiring freezes
[21:50] <vu> yeah, its hard to persaude them to attend ours a week afterwards if they're already signed up for career center's
[21:50] <vu> if they're still deciding, its a possibility
[21:50] <kgao> so we just need to persuade them now to go to ours in the spring
[21:51] <vu> but if they've worked w/ career center in the past, that works against us since they know what to expect from career center
[21:51] <quarl> so the problem is it's too late because they already decided on cc
[21:51] <vu> yes, for some contacts
[21:52] <kgao> farq
[21:52] <vu> thats only one problem
[21:52] <atsao> we need them to sign up for the one in the spring now so we don't have the career center working against us on this right?
[21:52] <quarl> we should send a spy to cc
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[21:52] <quarl> infiltrate them 
[21:52] <atsao> or cc reputation working against us
[21:52] <vu> yes, we'd have an advantage of getting them to register w/ us earliert
[21:52] <atsao> heh maybe we should sabotage their job fair
[21:53] <kgao> invite homeless people there w/ promise of free food
[21:53] <vu> we'd also have an advantage of people manning the phones in our offices, and just more officers around to help cold call which is extremely important
[21:53] <quarl> haha. "told you, this is waht you get with professionals. next time sign up with us"
[21:53] <atsao> plus if the economy is a problem (especially for smaller companies), do we offer the fair cheaper than the cc?
[21:53] <vu> right now, its hard to cold call cause everyone is busy w/ work/internships, and its hard to coordinate because everyone is in different locations
[21:53] <chan> do you think it's possible to get new contacts from the Career Center?
[21:53] <kgao> good point, maybe we should lower prices?
[21:53] <vu> cc jfair is cheaper than ours
[21:53] <vu> but
[21:54] <quarl> write FREE HAT on signs for ccjf
[21:54] <vu> we allow more representatives and lunch
[21:54] <vu> and we don't charge for an electrical connection
[21:54] <atsao> is this important to companies?
[21:54] <quarl> then people will come to support child molesters
[21:54] <vu> usually, price is not an issue
[21:54] <atsao> ok
[21:55] <quarl> offer them more luxuries
[21:55] <vu> i've never heard of it being one, if it is, when we can reconsider our pricing
[21:55] <ttd>  jfair is cheaper than ours
[21:55] <ttd> [21:53] <vu> but
[21:55] <atsao> chan has a good point.. do you think that the cc contacts were tougher since they already worked w/ the cc?
[21:55] <amywung> you can give them all massages quarl =)
[21:55] <quarl> since the money is coming out of someone else's pockets yet they get to eat the nice food 
[21:55] <vu> atsao: yes, i think that is a reason
[21:56] <atsao> so we need contacts that probbaly aren't associated w/ the cc
[21:56] <vu> thats why we rather get new contacts from cold calling, and we have been
[21:56] <atsao> i see
[21:56] <vu> their issue isn't w/ the cc jfair, moreso with hiring or such
[21:56] <kgao> okay, vu, tell us what we can do (reasonably) before next wednesday to help indrel
[21:56] <quarl> ok tell them quarl massage if they join our jf
[21:56] <vu> hahah
[21:56] <chan> hell, throw in a chan massage
[21:57] <quarl> hey i was first
[21:57] <atsao> they might be scared away from it though
[21:57] <chan> well then
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[21:57] <chan> the chance to NOT get a massage from chan
[21:57] <chan> charge big bucks for that
[21:57] <kgao> okay, vu, tell us what we can do (reasonably) before next wednesday to help indrel
[21:57] <chan> yes
[21:57] <atsao> come.. or else chan will massage you
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[21:58] <awei> sorry, i don't know what happened
[21:58] <vu> what we should try to do: contact companies, pitch them our fall jfair, if not, find out if they would be interested in a spring jfair, build contacts -- get their name/email/address/phone etc
[21:58] <vu> thats pretty much it
[21:58] <atsao> so im not familiar with this.. what companies have we contacted? (a list somehwere?)
[21:58] <quarl> when calling ask if price is an issue
[21:58] <vu> i would recommend each person picking 3-4 companies
[21:59] <vu> cause its hard to reach these companies
[21:59] <vu> you'll hit voice mails and need to call back
[21:59] <vu> there is a list in ~hkn/indrel/jobfair/2003f/companies/companies.csv
[22:00] <awei> ok
[22:00] <awei> vu's plan sounds good to me
[22:00] <vu> pick companies that don't have any officer associated with it
[22:00] <vu> and DOES NOT have a contact in our indrel database located in prot
[22:00] <vu> mark the company w/ your name
[22:00] <atsao> okay
[22:00] <atsao> well now should we ask them to sign up for the fall one or just see if they are willing?
[22:01] <vu> use their website to find their phone#, call and ask for university relations or recruiting
[22:01] <atsao> since this may change next week
[22:01] <ttd> ood to me
[22:01] <ttd> [22:00] <vu> pick companies that don't have any officer associated with it
[22:01] <vu> shoot for fall, offer spring
[22:01] <ttd> [22:00] <vu> and DOES NOT have a contact in our indrel database located in prot
[22:01] <vu> i'll send this out in an e-mail tonight
[22:01] <ttd> sorry
[22:01] <vu> its ok
[22:02] <cling> ok just played some catch up
[22:02] <kgao> ok sounds good
[22:02] <vu> there's not much else we can do
[22:02] <awei> the plan sounds good to me
[22:03] <awei> basically the hardest thing for me right now is not being able to cold call companies
[22:03] <vu> me too, for everyone
[22:03] <awei> that won't be a problem during the fall
[22:03] <vu> everyone is busy
[22:03] <awei> well, so, i guess that's it
[22:04] <vu> yeah, thats one strong reason why i would like to push it to spring, we'd have a lot of available help
[22:04] <awei> we'll stick to the plan of making one last push for fall jfair
[22:04] <vu> any final comments/opinions from officers?
[22:05] <kgao> work hard
[22:05] <atsao> play harder
[22:05] <cling> quick question
[22:05] <cling> what do you need help from officers on right now?
[22:05] <vu> cold calling
[22:05] <kgao> call companies in the companies.csv file
[22:06] <cling> deadline?
[22:06] <vu> next wed
[22:06] <vu> i'll send out an e-mail explaining everything and the situation i suppose
[22:06] <cling> ok send out the e-mail
[22:06] <vu> it'll be one hella long email, i'll try to keep it short
[22:06] <atsao> so once we pick a company... can we change the csv file?
[22:06] <rchen> feel free to make it as long as need be.
[22:06] <vu> yeah, edit the file
[22:07] <atsao> do you want amy to send out her summary?
[22:07] <rchen> People interested in knowing will read it all.
[22:07] <atsao> or you just want to write it out?
[22:07] <vu> yeah, could she send it to me, thanks amy!
[22:07] <vu> save me a lot of time
[22:08] <amywung> i was going to just email minutes to officers
[22:08] <vu> ok, thats fine
[22:08] <atsao> vu.. could you send out an email for instructions on cold calling?
[22:09] <vu> yeah, i'll put that all together, i'll send it out within 30 min
[22:09] <atsao> thanks
[22:11] <atsao> so that's it then?
[22:11] <kgao> i think so...
[22:11] <kgao> vu?
[22:11] <vu> yeah
[22:11] <vu> thanks for coming guys
[22:11] <rchen> hell of a commute that was.
[22:11] <vu> even tho it didn't require you to leave your chair
[22:11] <awei> how do i close my hoser chat session?
[22:11] <atsao> thanks for your hard work indrel
[22:12] <cling> hehe
[22:12] <vu> /exit
[22:12] <rchen> /exit
[22:12] <cling> thanks for grabbing me vu :p
[22:12] <awei> ok, thanks
[22:12] <amywung> will send out summary to officers shortly
[22:12] <rchen> cling: that really ought to stay private.
[22:12] <kgao> (ask hoserchat quit)
[22:12] <atsao> maybe all officer meetings should be like this :)
[22:12] <amywung> well..at least before i go to bed, (i.e. before 4am)
[22:12] <atsao> cling: how's that sound?
[22:12] <rchen> kgao: you gotta quote hoserchat.
[22:12] <rchen> er. i mean quit
[22:13] <kgao> (ask hoserchat 'quit)
[22:13] <kgao> hoserchat.quit();
[22:13] <kgao> =(
[22:13] <vu> ctrl-alt-del
[22:13] <amywung> gnite people =)
[22:13] <awei> haha
[22:13] <awei> nice
[22:13] <kgao> ciao
[22:13] <cling> alt-f4
[22:13] <awei> nite
Log stopped at Wed Jul 23 22:13:40 2003